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TO: DRAKE @WW
FR: VE3WBZ
DT: Saturday,May 14th.,2011 @1417hrs EST <JPST>
Hello Ian G0TEZ and others, reading along...
Ian. I am surprised that you are interested in Sir Francis Drake?
<< Quoting G0TEZ to DARKE @WW >>
> From : G0TEZ To : DRAKE @WW
> Type/Status : B$ Date/Time : 13-May 09:57
> Bid : A60159G0TEZ Message # : 94298
> Title : Warren's League...
>
> Quoting Warren to Pete.
>
>> Speaking of which you make a lousy navigator. You have Drakes coffin
>> barely 36 feet from shore, a league is 6 fathoms and a fathom is 6 feet
>> but then Jules Verne couldn't count to 20 with his shoes off.
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> I didn't see the original bull (E-Mail ?) but I think you got your
> leagues and fathoms confused.
Actually Ian, after reading the above,. I never bothered to reply.
Obvious reasons, and just seems like a cheap shot.
What he didn't grasp, was I was only reading an account of the burial,
which placed the site as being 1 League. I also read the account from
a personal friend of Sir Francis Darke. The description based upon
sitings and what was done...meaning two captured ships were sunk where
he was commited to the deep.
Portobello in those days, was a very important terminal for the
treasurer route, as they would bring by mules the riches from the
Pacific side, and then transfer to the waiting ships in the harbour
which was perfect.
To figure out measurements, we have to decide, who's we use to
determine where? The Official Royal Navy Publication, and given
to all Royal Navy cadets, and carried thru their careers is the
"The Seaman's Pocketbook" and is how they are to conduct themselves
on HM ships. I wanted to see their measurements, and then too
local measurements come into consideration, as there were no
International Conventions like now for standardization. SO...
consider the League in Drake's time. Today...they say approximately
3 miles, or 2.4 to 4.6 statue miles etc etc etc...
> As a small boy, Leagues,Fathoms, R0ds,Poles,Perches and Furlongs were
> pretty well out of date but we learnt them anyway and a League was 3
> Miles, a lot more than 6 Fathoms.
Exactly ....
> Think of Jules Verne and his Twenty Thousand Leagues Under THe Sea.20 K
> time 6 Fathoms would have been a very great depth but 20,000 Leagues as
> 60,000 miles makes more sense.Old captain Nemo (pron Naymo BTW= L for
> Nobody. NOT Neemo) certainly knew how to travel. Verne was a Frenchman but
> hadn't got around to using the metric system so he still used fps as well
> as pounds and yards.
>
> I suppose that 20,000 Kilometres under the Sea wouldn't have sounded as
> good.
>
> Getting back to your quote;
>
> Six leagues from shore would be 18 miles or 30 Km from shore. Sounds O.K.
> to me.
The eyewitness journal says "1" League Ian.
> 73 - Ian, G0TEZ @ GB7CIP
>
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> [End of Message #94298 from G0TEZ]
If you google earth the area, you can see the 1 league as being
more sensible then 6 leagues, as beinging 9miles off shore.
They rowed out in pinnacles Ian. The description of 1601 is also
interesting, and gives a idea by forts built in Portobello after
the event. The account of 1601 gives the bearing based upon the
forts built by Spain after Drake took the place, and ships there.
Funny too, is that Drake's friend in 1602, successfully stole
into Portobello at night...fooled the guards, and took the place.
In also looking into the man. Sir Francis Drake, was very
religious, and twice a day, held services aboard his vessel.
Loyality: His crew was loyal. When he was wounded they withdrew
with him fearing his death if they didn't.
Tactics: He trained his men and gun crews to utilize to the
fullest the guns along the sides of the ship...Broadsides may
have started with him.
From the Spainish side, they also , while fearing him and his name
also report that he was fair and just in his dealings with them
even releasing a Spainish Ship in the Pacific, after he and it's
Captain enjoyed dinner and each other's company. So not a
bloodthirsty pirate.
If you are interested enough Ian, you are in the best postion
to really get into it. The BBC, and all the sources are there.
The Drake Society and it's deep resources, and of course what
they did to help with the BBC's "In Drake's Wake" was well too
bad never followed up on.
Anyway ... enough. I want to look at more things, like the
charts of the area. I have emails sent to people I have got
emails for, and I am waiting for replys to keep going.
If the Royal Navy, and Government decide this is a protected
Wargrave, then I stop. No problem. It was hinted before
and even with Panama's blessing, they never proceeded.
On the Roman Road, my copy of Google still doesn't react like
my last copy. I can no longer type in an address it it shows it
like before, and others on screen. I have to keep looking to
get rid of that "tiny man" above the zoom. Once I get that copy
I am back in business. Hey have you every asked that team you
have in UK called the "Time Travellers" to come and look...it
would make for an interesting show.
Oh well .... something to do...eh?
73 Pete VE3WBZ
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