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Well regular readers of my ramblings will know I am still fond of
command line operating systems (ie dos). Thats not to say I don't run
Windows stuff but I am not all that happy with it, due to the problems
it gives with system maintainence, spyware and lack of technical 
flexibility.


So for those of you that are interested in running DOS apps or low spec
machines on the internet here's some general info.

1:-

Arachne. (16 bit dos) I have been experimenting with three versions here
from v1.4 to v1.7 - this is the only real decent graphical web 
browser/email client to date and runs very well indeed. I can run it 
easily on a real old PC here, its an old IBM Thinkpad laptop - 4 meg ram
and a 25Mhz 486 CPU.

I can use it as a packet HTML viewer with my Winpack or as a browser.

If you want to use it as an HTML viewer with your packet program then
experiment with either activating it either to the core.exe or the 
arachne.bat file. Also experiment with the profile with reference to 
the screen scrolling settings etc.

And if you run it on a fast PC then you will drool over it - thats all I 
can say !



2:- 

Lynx (16bit DOS) is a text mode browser that renders html very well.
Its a text browser so you dont end up downloading loads of unecessary
rubbish - that means its VERY QUICK ! Graphics can download with a mouse
click if you do want to see them. Imagine a text mode browser as having
pcket style web pages - you only download the content which is usually
text in 99% of case AS text rather than all the rubbish that goes with 
it. You can use a mouse with it.



3:-

Lynx (32 bit) is the same as the above but for Win9x systems.
It renders html/forms etc properly and integrates into the existing
Win9x DUN. That means if you already have your Internet Explorer running
then you need no setting up to do - just run lynx.exe should suffice.


4:-

Minuet. (16 bit) is an integrated telnet/ftp/email/www browser.
Its very good except its HTML rendering..there is none to speak of
which means you'll usually see te webpage presented like some of the
HTML packet bulletins whereby you see all the HTML code. Forms etc are
a no-no. But the rest of it is very nice to use and should be included
in a DOS'ers armoury of software. It includes a ping facility. Its old
bit still useful.


To run a dos program like these will require what is known as a packet
driver. This is a wedge that interfaces your modem to your browser.

In some case it also acts as a dialer. It will dial your ISP, log you in
and then your application program can take over.


I use a driver called LSPPP and that works even into my Nokia 7110 mobile
phone. One thing that prevented me from getting it all to work was the
packet driver config file.


Some drivers need some understanding to set it up for BOOTP and dynamic 
ip allocation. Most dricers will work with any normal hardware modem and
GSM phone modem. A way to tell if your mobile phone has a true hardware
modem is if its got an infrared port on it. If it has you can pretty 
much guarantee you can obtain a cable to go from the phone to the serial
port. Some phones like the Nokia 5110 use a software modem. Another
check is to connect the mobile phone to your serial port and simply type
AT to the phone. If it responds OK then you have a hardware modem.
You can use your packet terminal to do this ! My 7110 requires the comport
baud rate to be set at 19k2. Normally GSM phones will operate at 9k6.
This is quite adequate for surfing in text mode and reasonable to get
the occasional download. I use a Cellnet or o2 simcard at the weekends
which gives me 2p a minute rates to a landline.  

I have also tried Bobcat and Nettamer but I was insufficiently impressed 
by them and dumped them.

A good website where links to these programs can be found with other
DOS goodies is:

www.opus.co.tt/dave

For more DOS goodies you could also try:

www.megspace.com/computers/lightspeedref/main.html 

(seek and you WILL find lotz of stuff)   :-)

Ok - I hope this lot has been of use.


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73 - Andy, G0FTD @ GB7SXE

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