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Today's Topics:
1. Re: APRS and the I-95 Corridor (Chris Kantarjiev)
2. Kansas APRS SAR? (M J)
3. Re: APRS and the Interstates (Mark Cheavens)
4. Re: Kansas APRS SAR? (John Habbinga)
5. Voice repeater objects to Dayton. (Robert Bruninga)
6. RE: Kansas APRS SAR? (Robert Bruninga)
7. RE: APRS and the I-95 Corridor (Ian)
8. RE: Kansas APRS SAR? (Ian)
9. Re: Kansas APRS SAR? (Jim Duncan)
10. W0APR-3 down.... (Jim Duncan)
11. Re: Kansas APRS SAR? (M J)
12. RE: Kansas APRS SAR? (Edwards, Chris)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 10:12:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Kantarjiev <cak_at_dimebank.com>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] APRS and the I-95 Corridor
Last time I investigated digis in Ohio, they were all still providing RELAY
service and not answering WIDE1-1. That may have improved some, but I
really got the sense that no one there was plugged into the "APRS
community".
73,
chris
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 03:51:44 +0800 (CST)
From: M J <mjandthegang_at_yahoo.com>
Subject: [aprssig] Kansas APRS SAR?
Does anyone know if APRS is being utilized for tactical support in the wake
of the big Kansas tornado and if so, how it is being coordinated? -MJ
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 15:06:21 -0500
From: Mark Cheavens <mcheavens_at_usa.net>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] APRS and the Interstates
Bob,
I agree in getting people to install in remote areas. The problem is
not people getting the hardware built or installed, it is finding
suitable sites and prices. It is too bad that the ARRL did not fight
harder for better site access after 9/11 and Katrina/Rita.
In the flat lands we don't have the ease of mountaintop access.
Mark
KC5EVE
>The biggest bang for the buck is the Interstates. We somehow
>need to educate the broad amateur community to invest in
>digipeaters in those areas in their states that may not serve
>them directly in their own back yards, but that serve the
>traveling ham community where they need it most.
>
>APRS is a "service". Invest in it even if you don't use it...
>
>Bob, WB4APR
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:19:53 -0500
From: "John Habbinga" <kc5zrq_at_gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Kansas APRS SAR?
Does this help? http://skynet.entz.net/webpages/shorty/kcaprs/Digis.html
----- Original Message -----
>Does anyone know if APRS is being utilized for tactical support in the
>wake of the big Kansas tornado and if so, how it is being
>oordinated? -MJ
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:45:50 -0400
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga_at_usna.edu>
Subject: [aprssig] Voice repeater objects to Dayton.
Looks like 10 more Voice Repeater Objects are now on the air to aid
travelers to Dayton. Up to 85 of now 450 voice repeater objects are in the
new Frequency format. Adding these objects to your area is as simple as
modifying your local digipeater's Btext. See below:
http://www.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/localinfo.html
A good naming convention was initiated in Iowa and now I see it on others,
where the object name is the FREQ and the state abbreviation... Example
146.94-IA or 147.105IA. Remember there can be as many as four such
conventions per state, NY,ny,Ny,nY. (Although FINDU does not honor case)...
When those run out, any other of the 3600+ combinations are possible.
Lets get these objects on the air for the Dayton Travelers to know where to
find a QSO during those long drives. Its nice to see a recommended
frequency pop up on your radio screen during those long drives.
Bob, WB4APR
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:52:57 -0400
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga_at_usna.edu>
Subject: RE: [aprssig] Kansas APRS SAR?
>Subject: Re: [aprssig] Kansas APRS SAR?
>
>Does this help?
>http://skynet.entz.net/webpages/shorty/kcaprs/Digis.html
Wow, neat list! Add one more column for "Recommended Voice Repeater" so it
is easy to keep track of what voice repeater frequencies are recommened
from each DIGI. This is great for come-as-you-are SAR....
>----- Original Message -----
>>Does anyone know if APRS is being utilized for tactical
>>support in the wake of the big Kansas tornado and if so,
>>how it is being coordinated? -MJ
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 21:34:06 -0500
From: "Ian" <ik7565_at_verizon.net>
Subject: RE: [aprssig] APRS and the I-95 Corridor
I-70 from Columbus, OH to the WV border stinks. We could use a WIDE in
Zanesville!
73, Ian N8IK
-----Original Message-----
>
>Last time I investigated digis in Ohio, they were all still
>providing RELAY service and not answering WIDE1-1. That may
>have improved some, but I really got the sense that no one
>there was plugged into the "APRS community".
>
>73,
>chris
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 21:37:17 -0500
From: "Ian" <ik7565_at_verizon.net>
Subject: RE: [aprssig] Kansas APRS SAR?
What does it mean to "coordinate" a digipeater? Are these all WIDE digis
with enough distance between them?
73, Ian N8IK
-----Original Message-----
>
>Does this help?
>http://skynet.entz.net/webpages/shorty/kcaprs/Digis.html
>Wow, neat list! Add one more column for "Recommended Voice
>Repeater" so it is easy to keep track of what voice repeater
>frequencies are recommened from each DIGI. This is great for
>come-as-you-are SAR....
>----- Original Message -----
>>Does anyone know if APRS is being utilized for tactical
>>support in the wake of the big Kansas tornado and if so,
>>how it is being coordinated? -MJ
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 21:58:33 -0500
From: Jim Duncan <jdbandman_at_earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Kansas APRS SAR?
Ian wrote:
>What does it mean to "coordinate" a digipeater? Are these all WIDE digis
>with enough distance between them?
>
>73, Ian N8IK
I'll answer that one... Back in 1994 the major digipeater owners in western
Missouri and south/southwest Iowa met at a truck stop in Eagleville,
Missouri. The purpose of that meeting was to coordinate our digipeater
placements so we could manage the number of WIDE's and place them in
strategic locations (high ground, good antennas, reasonable spacing). At
this time APRS was in its infancy in this region of the country.
KU0G (your humble responder) was User #1 in the Kansas City area, first
going on-the-air in January, 1993. That was soon followed by the
installation of Kansas City's first WIDE (WV0T-9). Mike Rosenbloom (N0GGU)
and another ham related to him (I think it was his dad but don't hold me to
that) already had a system of four WIDES covering the area from Graham, MO,
well up into Iowa. We all got together and discussed how best to cover the
primary highways to allow a mobile to pick up coverage from the next WIDE
just as he would be running out of the coverage circle of the last one.
From those plans grew the first "coordination" of APRS Digipeaters
(anywhere in the U.S. that I'm aware of).
Shortly after this (January, 1995) a group of interest hams met in my home
and chartered the Kansas City APRS Working Group and established the club
to promote APRS and help build the network of digipeaters in this area. We
also established the KCAWG website at www.kcaprs.org. Unfortunately, being
not too familiar with domain name ownership our domain name was not
registered as OWNED by the club and after an effort on the club's part to
migrate to a new server we were locked out by the gentleman (and I use that
term LOOSELY) who had been providing the website server space. He refused
to relinquish control and we didn't have the $2000 up-front bond required
to initiate a dispute of ownership with ICATE (is that the right acronym
for the people who control all domains and so forth?).
Fast forward to 2002... By this time there were a number of digipeaters
starting to crop up and KCAWG began serving as a coordinating body for APRS
digipeaters. While nobody was ever turned down, we wanted to ensure that we
didn't end up with a WIDE on every corner and that such digipeaters would
meet certain coverage standards before being certified as "coordinated."
KCAWG was loosely responsible for coordinating digipeaters within a 120
mile radius of Kansas City. While we really weren't interested in anything
beyond a reasonable reach of KC, primarily because we didn't feel that it
was appropriate to reach beyond the range of our primary operating area we
did end up as somewhat of a clearing house for APRS digipeaters in Missouri
and Kansas.
Just prior to the highjacking of the clubs website and domain name we had
actually begun formally registering digipeaters, hence the table your see
in the current website. The initial information in that table was started
by me in 2000. They even had the audacity to place the KCAWG's callsign
(W0APR) on their website trying to make it look like just a friendly change
of direction by the club. Needless to say, they were told to remove the
call as they were not approved to use it by the KCAWG (which still exists,
on paper at least!).
FWIW: I had a "keep my mouth shut" agreement (verbal) with the guys who
instigated the website take-over (they weren't even members of KCAWG!)
which was given with the understanding that at a point six months to a year
down the road that I would be brought into the "new organization." Suffice
it to say, THEIR part of the bargain hasn't been kept and I no longer feel
any particular reason to keep my end after waiting for 3 years for an
invitation that is obviously not coming nor was probably never planned to
come!
OK, that's probably a MUCH longer answer than you wanted but, as Paul
Harvey says: "Now you know the REST of the story!"
Jim Duncan, KU0G
Chairman and Coordinator
Kansas City APRS Working Group
P.S. Now people will understand a little more why I have been very low key
on APRS the past three years (of course graduate school and two advanced
degrees played SOME part!)...
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