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Today's Topics:
1. Re: TH-D7AG in the U.K. (Iain Young)
2. Re: TO-CALL question. (John Ronan)
3. Re: TH-D7AG in the U.K. (David Rush)
4. New Xastir Release (Curt, WE7U)
5. Re: TH-D7AG in the U.K. (Iain Young)
6. Re: APRS in a PRIUS (John Vause)
7. RE: Objects on APRS (Jim Fuller (N7VR))
8. RE: Objects on APRS (Keith VE7GDH)
9. Re: APRS in a PRIUS (fwd) (Martin Henning)
10. RE: Objects on APRS (Robert Bruninga)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 18:40:30 +0100
From: Iain Young <g7iii_at_g7iii.net>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] TH-D7AG in the U.K.
Jan T. Pharo wrote:
>David Rush <david_at_rushtone.com>, Wed, 02 May 2007 07:59:48 -0600:
>
>>How usable would a North-American-spec Kenwood TH-D7AG handheld be in
>>the United Kingdom for APRS? Any show-stoppers, operationally, legally,
>>or otherwise?
I have one, works fine for me.
>Not british, but still european, I can say that the APRS frequency for
>2 m is 144.800.
Same deal in UK 144.800 (See, we do get along with our European
Neighbours :P :). Recommended is TRACE3-3 IIRC rather than the
WIDEn-N AIUI. I have mine set to TRACE3-3.
>>Would a CEPT-compliant callsign ID (M/KY7DR/M while mobile or M/KY7DR/P
>>while portable, I suppose) in the comment field keep things legal on
>>that side of the pond?
or G/<callsign>. But be aware thats only fully correct for England. You
need the following prefix for other parts of the UK:
GM or MM If Operating in Scotland
GW or MW If Operating in Wales
GI or MI If Operating in Northern Ireland
GD or MD If Operating in the Isle of Man
GJ or MJ If Operating in Jersey (Channel Islands)
GU or MU If Operating in Guernsey (Channel Islands)
Also, if using the 2 prefix (also allocated to the UK) Stations in
England should use "2E" as their prefix rather than just "2"
>I am sure some british amateurs will tell you if you have to enter the
>/M or /P in the UK.
Latest regs say we "May" add the /M, /P, /MM etc suffixes, not that we
"must". The prefix above is "must". Not entirely sure of your situation,
as IIRC, both sets of regulations apply *unless* there they contradict,
in which case the Host country's rules apply.
73s
Iain
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 19:34:17 +0100
From: John Ronan <jronan_at_tssg.org>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] TO-CALL question.
Hi,
How about we use APZWIT? I'm still unsure whether the usage will continue
into 2008.
Regards
de John
EI7IG
On 2 May 2007, at 17:50, Robert Bruninga wrote:
>>I'm working on a small application to take a position report from a
>>MAP27 radio (Mountain Rescue) and send it back out over APRS. Are
>>there any conventions to using the APZ??? TO-CALL?
>
>Look on the APRS1.1 Addendum link to the TOCALL list. If you
>see no conflicts, pick what matches your desires and let me
>know. Ill add it to the list...
>
>Bob
--
John Ronan <jronan_at_tssg.org>, +353-51-302938
Telecommunications Software & Systems Group, http://www.tssg.org
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 13:28:54 -0600
From: David Rush <david_at_rushtone.com>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] TH-D7AG in the U.K.
Iain:
>>>Would a CEPT-compliant callsign ID (M/KY7DR/M while mobile or
>>>M/KY7DR/P while portable, I suppose) in the comment field keep
>>>things legal on that side of the pond?
>or G/<callsign>. But be aware thats only fully correct for England. You
>need the following prefix for other parts of the UK:
Are G/<callsign> and M/<callsign> equally valid for England (as well as
the two-letter equivalents for the other UK bits)? Any reason to pick
one over the other, other than fondness for one letter over the other?
73, David, ky7dr
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 12:33:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Curt, WE7U" <archer_at_eskimo.com>
Subject: [aprssig] New Xastir Release
Announcements <aprsnews_at_lists.tapr.org>
Project: XASTIR (xastir)
Package: xastir-stable
Date : 2007-05-02 12:20
Project "XASTIR" ('xastir') has released the new version of package
'xastir-stable'.
You can download it from SourceForge.net by following this link:
or browse Release Notes and ChangeLog by visiting this link:
Homepage: <http://www.xastir.org>
--
Curt, WE7U. APRS Client Comparisons: http://www.eskimo.com/~archer
"Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math." -- unknown
"Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates." -- WE7U
"The world DOES revolve around me: I picked the coordinate system!"
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 21:07:43 +0100
From: Iain Young <g7iii_at_g7iii.net>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] TH-D7AG in the U.K.
Hi David,
You Wrote:
>Are G/<callsign> and M/<callsign> equally valid for England (as well as
>the two-letter equivalents for the other UK bits)? Any reason to pick
>one over the other, other than fondness for one letter over the other?
As far as I'm aware yes, both are equally valid, as both G, and M are
allocated to Great Britain by the ITU. Ditto with 2, but you need 2E
in that case.
No real reason to choose one over the other, although if you're going
mobile with voice, M/KY7DR/M might get a bit repetitive/confusing, let
alone Martime Mobile. Not so important with APRS I guess.
Historically G was used before the M callsigns came along, however
they've been with us long enough now that everyone pretty much knows
both.
A few other points that may be of interest:
1) VHF Repeater outputs are 145.600 thru to 145.775 on 2m, Originally
25kHz spacing, these days 12.5kHz, but a lot of the "older" repeaters
will be on their original channels. Inputs are -600kHz. Access may be
via CTCSS tones, or 1750Hz tone-burst
2) UHF Repeater outputs are 433.000 thru to 433.375, 25kHz spacing,
Inputs are +1600kHz. Same as on 2m on the access.
3) Simplex on 2m is 145.200 thru to 145.575, 12.5kHz spacing, 70cms
is 433.400 thru to 433.575, 25kHz spacing.
73s
Iain
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 19:51:02 -0400
From: John Vause <jdv_at_iglou.com>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] APRS in a PRIUS
Bob,
I use a ScanGauge II when I don't want to carry the laptop. It's compact
and no there's no hd to "die" if I hit a hard bump:
http://www.scangauge.com/
When I need to monitor "everything" I use ProScan 5 software and a ELM327
universal interface with my laptop: http://www.myscantool.com/
73
Robert Bruninga wrote:
>Since APRS is for cars, and cars nowadays contain OBD telemetry,
>I wonder if anyone has good experience with the Onboard
>Diagnostics tools available for a Laptop?
>
>IE, plug in my laptop and find out all that is going on inside a
>Prius?
>
>Thanks.
>Bob
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 18:40:19 -0600
From: "Jim Fuller \(N7VR\)" <n7vr_at_fuller.net>
Subject: RE: [aprssig] Objects on APRS
Hi Bob,
That does not make sense to me.
The best place for the object is local RF. An IRLP, Repeater, Echo Link, in
Billings, MT are only good to the local APRS travelers n RF in the local
community. Therefore they need to be sent out on local RF. If they appear on
the APRS-IS it should be from being received from RF.
To ask an Igate Owner to constantly watch and update the gateway to
consistently put these on RF is adding to his work load. The work load
should be from the person or station generating the Object.
This is true of Hospital, EOC, Police, Fire and other objects. I would be
spending time every night changing the configurations. Further, there is
only so much bandwidth. I would not like to receive a call about all the
objects I am gating to RF.
It makes better sense for the local stations to generate the RF information.
The local traffic will benefit, then the APRS-IS can have it later where it
is really a waste of bandwidth for Florida from Billings, MT.
Jim Fuller
IRLP Node 3398
N7VR - http://www.fuller.net/n7vr.html
ARRL Montana Section Emergency Coordinator - http://www.mtares.org
International TCP/IP Gateways Robot Operator -- http://www.ampr-gateways.org
montana.aprs2.net Server Operator -- http://www.mtaprs.net
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Robert Bruninga [mailto:bruninga_at_usna.edu]
>
>The way it is supposed to work (I think) is that the IRLP and
>the ECHO link "systems" centrally put out objects into the
>APRS-IS. From there, any local Igate is supposed to know those
>IRLP's and ECHO link nodes in their immediate area and put them
>in the special gate-to-RF list. If this is not how it is
>working, can someone summarize it for all of us? Thanks Bob
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>
>>One thing that can be an option though is to contact your nearby iGate
>>operator and request that they push the posit out for you.
>>
>>Here in the Palm Springs, CA area, my iGate (K6KIT-11) watches for the
>>IRLP3180 (AK6E-15) and pushes it out via a single hop through the local
>>digi (INDIO).
>>
>>Eric J. Goforth, N6GOF
>>www.APRSDEPOT.com
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>
>>Hi Guys,
>>
>>I would like to remind everyone that IRLP, Voice Repeater, Etc. Objects
>>that are put on an APRS Gateway node are great. But to put them
>>out when your only connection is to the APRS-IS system is counter
>productive. I have been
>>noticing a few in the northwest have been doing this, thinking an Igate
>>will pick them up and put them out.
>>
>>Hope everyone has fun at Dayton.
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