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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 07:47:50 +0100
From: "Jan T. Pharo" <la2bba_at_jpharo.net>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Need Archive of APRS Station Position w/ Timestamp
"A.J. Farmer (AJ3U)" <farmer.aj_at_gmail.com>, Thu, 8 Mar 2007 21:34:54
-0500:
>A friend of mine was in an accident the other day (he's okay).
>Unfortunately, the facts of the accident are in dispute. He has a
>D700 in the car and was beaconing positions on APRS at the time. Are
>there any other resources out there that would have archived (with
>timestamp) position reports that he could possibly use to prove his
>case?
You found a source; however, the track log of your GPS might give you
the data as well.
--
73 de Jan, LA2BBA
Hvaler, Norway
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 08:30:54 -0500
From: "Richard Amirault" <ramirault_at_verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Need Archive of APRS Station Position w/ Timestamp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jan T. Pharo" <
>>A friend of mine was in an accident the other day (he's okay).
>>Unfortunately, the facts of the accident are in dispute. He has a
>>D700 in the car and was beaconing positions on APRS at the time. Are
>>there any other resources out there that would have archived (with
>>timestamp) position reports that he could possibly use to prove his
>>case?
>
>You found a source; however, the track log of your GPS might give you
>the data as well.
RE: "....reports that he could.. use to prove his case"
If the opponents lawyer (or the judge) is technically savvy you may have a
hard time "proving" anything. Printing out a list of data and bringing it
into court will not prove anything. What is the difference between that and
someone creating a list of data ON THEIR COMPUTER SCREEN USING A WORD
PROCESSOR with totally bogus data and taking that list into court as
"proof"?
While you will be taking in valid data.. how can you prove that it is,
indeed, the actual, unmodified, data from the incident?
Richard Amirault
Boston, MA, USA
http://n1jdu.org
http://n1jdu.org/Fandom/science.htm
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 09:30:22 -0500
From: Steve Dimse <steve_at_dimse.com>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Need Archive of APRS Station Position w/ Timestamp
On Mar 9, 2007, at 8:30 AM, Richard Amirault wrote:
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan T. Pharo" <
>>>A friend of mine was in an accident the other day (he's okay).
>>>Unfortunately, the facts of the accident are in dispute. He has a
>>>D700 in the car and was beaconing positions on APRS at the time.
>>>Are there any other resources out there that would have archived (with
>>>timestamp) position reports that he could possibly use to prove his case?
>>
>>You found a source; however, the track log of your GPS might give you
>>the data as well.
>
>RE: "....reports that he could.. use to prove his case"
>If the opponents lawyer (or the judge) is technically savvy you may
>have a hard time "proving" anything. Printing out a list of data
>and bringing it into court will not prove anything. What is the
>difference between that and someone creating a list of data ON
>THEIR COMPUTER SCREEN USING A WORD PROCESSOR with totally bogus
>data and taking that list into court as "proof"?
>
>While you will be taking in valid data.. how can you prove that it
>is, indeed, the actual, unmodified, data from the incident?
On the other hand, one is considered innocent until proven guilty. Evidence
like this may be enough to tip the balance, especially if the opposing side
does not have any specific attack on it. When you get down to it, how does
anyone "prove" anything in court? Even "hard" evidence is interpreted and
presented by fallible human beings...
Steve K4HG
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:15:50 +0100
From: "Jan T. Pharo" <la2bba_at_jpharo.net>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Need Archive of APRS Station Position w/ Timestamp
"Richard Amirault" <ramirault_at_verizon.net>, Fri, 9 Mar 2007 08:30:54
-0500:
>What is the difference between that and
>someone creating a list of data ON THEIR COMPUTER SCREEN USING A WORD
>PROCESSOR with totally bogus data and taking that list into court as
>"proof"?
The GPS itself, not a printout. The log could be extracted from the
GPS in court (or under secure conditions) and replayed.
--
73 de Jan, LA2BBA
Hvaler, Norway
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 11:03:26 -0500
From: "A.J. Farmer (AJ3U)" <farmer.aj_at_gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Need Archive of APRS Station Position w/ Timestamp
On 3/9/07, Richard Amirault <ramirault_at_verizon.net> wrote:
>----- Original Message -----
>into court will not prove anything. What is the difference between that and
>someone creating a list of data ON THEIR COMPUTER SCREEN USING A WORD
>PROCESSOR with totally bogus data and taking that list into court as
>"proof"?
Well, to me the difference would be using true, factual information
vs. fabricating evidence, the latter of which I believe is a felony.
In this case, it is not a huge court trial or anything - just a couple
thousand dollars worth of vehicle damage and the dispute is over who was at
fault, and therefore who has to pay for it. I'm sure if it came down to
it, there could be an expert witness that could corroborate the APRS
information. My friend's position is that he was stationary at the time
of the accident. The other guys position is that my friend was moving.
Evidence to back up the fact that he was stationary is what he is trying to
find.
But before we spark off a legal debate, I was just trying to help my friend
with his request. What he and his lawyer/insurance company decide to do
with the information is in their hands.
--
A.J. Farmer, AJ3U
http://www.aj3u.com
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