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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Need Ideas (Steve Huston)
2. Barcodes, D7 msgs and APRStt (Robert Bruninga)
3. Re: RE: PC Card, barcodes, etc. (Dale Blanchard)
4. Re: Barcodes, D7 msgs and APRStt (kc9umr_at_freqradio.com)
5. X-DIGI/TNC-X (Ron Tonneson)
6. APRS+SA registration (Sam Roberts)
7. Re: Barcodes, D7 msgs and APRStt (A.J. Farmer (AJ3U))
8. Re: APRS+SA registration (J T)
9. Re: Barcodes, D7 msgs and APRStt (kc9umr_at_freqradio.com)
10. Re: Barcodes, D7 msgs and APRStt (Jack Chomley)
11. RE: barcodes, etc. (Ray McKnight)
12. Re: Barcodes, D7 msgs and APRStt (A.J. Farmer (AJ3U))
13. station capability flags (Jason Winningham)
14. Re: Barcodes, D7 msgs and APRStt (A.J. Farmer (AJ3U))
15. Re: barcodes, etc. (A.J. Farmer (AJ3U))
16. Re: Need Ideas (Chris Rose)
17. VISTA & WinAPRS (Anna M Reeves)
18. RE: barcodes, etc. (Ray McKnight)
19. RE: barcodes, etc. ('Scott Miller')
20. Re: barcodes, etc. (Chris Rose)
21. Re: station capability flags (Chris Rose)
22. RE: station capability flags (Robert Bruninga)
23. RE: barcodes, etc. (Ray McKnight)
24. RE: PC Card, barcodes, etc. (Mark Fellhauer)
25. RE: Radio <> TNC Cables (Greg D.)
26. Re: X-DIGI/TNC-X (wb4trz_at_juno.com)
27. RE: Need Ideas (Dave Sloan)
28. All APRS Digipeaters In The World (Almost!) Mapped On UIview
(Stephen H. Smith)
29. RE: All APRS Digipeaters In The World (Almost!) Mapped On UIview
(Robert Bruninga)
30. $45 GPS on Woot (Wyatt Foard)
31. RE: Barcodes, D7 msgs and APRStt (Ken Cechura)
32. Re: $45 GPS on Woot (Stephen H. Smith)
33. RE: $45 GPS on Woot (Bob)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:04:41 -0500
From: Steve Huston <huston_at_srhuston.net>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Need Ideas
On 02/28/2007 12:29 PM, Dave Sloan wrote:
>How can I best sell this idea? His final comment was we are going to
>continue doing this the way that we always have done it.
I would say to let him continue things they way they've always done it.
However, ask if he would mind if you tried to rally together the equipment
and people to try the new way *in addition to* the old way. This way,
should everything work great and people love it, it can be adopted later,
but nobody is being forced into a new system with little experience - and
should it not work out well, at least it was tried, but the old method was
still there to continue the necessary communications.
I doubt that you'd be able to "sell" the idea to someone who is in charge
of organizing the support for an event like this, when he has to feel that
everything will work flawlessly the first time around - like it has thus
far I'd imagine. But if you offer to try this new method in addition to
the old, I also doubt he'd say no, as long as it doesn't get in the way :>
--
Steve Huston - W2SRH - Unix Sysadmin, Dept. of Astrophysical Sciences
Princeton University | ICBM Address: 40.346525 -74.651285
126 Peyton Hall |"On my ship, the Rocinante, wheeling through
Princeton, NJ 08544 | the galaxies; headed for the heart of Cygnus,
(609) 258-7375 | headlong into mystery." -Rush, 'Cygnus X-1'
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:14:45 -0500
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga_at_usna.edu>
Subject: [aprssig] Barcodes, D7 msgs and APRStt
>/*SEND K9FRT START 9 CAR 43*/
>
>which would result in car 43 put into the "START 9"
>(stage 9 start) column at the net control's (K9FRT) computer.
I am all in support of a barcode scanner application, so don't take this
wrongly, but don't overlook that you can do all of this today with the D7
(or any HT) at each checkpoint, just like we do it for reporting scores at
a scout event.
See: http://www.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/aprsevent.html
In this case above, the D7 operator could enter this message on his keypad
as just "S9 43" And that would be transmitted as an APRS message to
Netcontrol computer as meaning START 9 CAR number 43. And without any of
the dangling cables of a barcode thinggy.
Not only that, but using my APRStt program at net control, ANY HT with a
DTMF pad could send the same APRS message. Still 7 years after APRStt was
introduced, we still need someone to write a Windows version (mine is DOS)
that implements it all in software on a soundcard (mine used external DTMF
chip). Then ANY HT can be used by EVERYONE at any event for 100% APRS data
entry at all stations. Please see the APRStt system:
http://www.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/aprstt.html
In anycase, it would be best to design for all data entry methods so that
you can have a higher probability of participation at as many points as
possible. Field as many barcode scanners as you can and also D7's.
Getting enough equipment at every station is the hard part, so plan on
multiple methods. That is why APRStt (IMHO) is the single biggest need in
APRS today. It would bring in ALL volunteers at an event into DATA ENTRY
mode, not just the D7 and barcode users.
For known events, some very powerful data reporting can be done in some
very short codes. So in addition to adding a barcode scanner to an
opentracker, I'd like to see a TTpad added to the handheld tracker so that
APRS messages (and in this case data entry) can be done by anyone with any
HT. (though again, with APRStt software at Headquarters, any HT with a
DTMF pad can do the same thing).
APRStt is a very powerful system to bring in ALL users at an event and
allow EVERYONE to be seen on APRS and to enter data with just a standard HT
and no cables. It is long past time to get this implemented in windows so
people can use it. Until we get closer to 100% data entry from APRS, APRS
will remain a cute sideshow at most events... APRStt and ideas like this
barcode scanner can do it.
Bob, WB4APR
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:16:49 -0800
From: Dale Blanchard <wa7ixk_at_earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] RE: PC Card, barcodes, etc.
Ray McKnight wrote:
>Maybe so.
>
>But for us, Hams, is this important?
>
>Do most Hams run out and buy a new $2000 laptop just to play APRS?
>
>No.
>
>Do most Hams, tens of thousands, have laptops 3-5 yrs old?
>
>Probably.
>
>So do most Ham laptops have the ability to utilize a PC-Card device.
>>
>__._,_.___
_____________________________
My latest $500 laptop does not have a pc card slot or a A drive,
but does have a serial and parallel port and 4 USB ports
That is why I bought it.
I just got a wattmeter/swr box that uses the parallel port.
My latest toy is a computer to radio interface with built in sound card
that uses the usb port.
Most Hams do want to use old and sometimes free computers and hardware.
dale
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:55:23 -0800 (PST)
From: kc9umr_at_freqradio.com
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Barcodes, D7 msgs and APRStt
Bob-
I think having D7's and/or D700's at every checkpoint would be GREAT, the
problem is getting that many people with those radios. As it is, we often
run short of radio equipment, let along specialized equipment...
at this point, i'm just looking for something that would help keep things
in order, and given the rush at the start/finish points, APRStt isn't the
best option...speed is a little better.
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:39:49 -0600
From: Ron Tonneson <ron.tonneson_at_gmail.com>
Subject: [aprssig] X-DIGI/TNC-X
I have three digipeaters in east central Iowa on the air and am looking at
putting on a couple more this spring to provide better coverage along
Interstate 80. I have been using UIDIGI and TNC-2 type TNCs. Does anyone
have any comments on TNC-X/X-DIGI or TNC-X/uSmartDigi combinations? TNC-2
type units are going for about the same price on Ebay as a TNC-X/X-DIGI
combination.
Thanks,
Ron - K0QVF
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:08:58 -0500
From: Sam Roberts <sroberts_at_pipeline.com>
Subject: [aprssig] APRS+SA registration
Been away from APRS for almost a year now...........
Got APRS+SA and need a registration number..... Text file with it says $15,
no problem, but need to know if the address is correct.
Thanks,
Sam
KA4ATT
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:37:03 -0500
From: "A.J. Farmer (AJ3U)" <farmer.aj_at_gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Barcodes, D7 msgs and APRStt
On 2/28/07, kc9umr_at_freqradio.com <kc9umr_at_freqradio.com> wrote:
>I think having D7's and/or D700's at every checkpoint would be GREAT, the
>problem is getting that many people with those radios. As it is, we often
>run short of radio equipment, let along specialized equipment...
Even though we are having all of this barcoding, RFID'ing, high tech
tracking talk, don't forget that with proper training and radio technique,
tracking runners can be easily, quickly and efficiently accomplished via
voice communications. No specialized equipment required.
--
A.J. Farmer, AJ3U
http://www.aj3u.com
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