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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:55:57 -0500
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga_at_usna.edu>
Subject: RE: [aprssig] HF Gateway Stations
>I would like to view the locations of HF APRS Gateway
>stations. I have found this webpage,
>http://web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/gates.html, but I
>cannot get javAPRS to work (unsigned active-x control).
Thanks. That page was obsolete.
I just now updated it in response to your email. Please change
the link to:
http://www.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/gates.html
It shows about 123 HF gates right now. But this is based on the use of the
HF-GATE symbol, not on whether these gates are actually on HF.
Bob, WB4APR
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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:13:43 -0800
From: "Stephen H. Smith" <wa8lmf2_at_aol.com>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] HF Gateway Stations
kc5zrq_at_gmail.com wrote:
>I would like to view the locations of HF APRS Gateway stations. I
>have found this webpage, http://web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/gates.html
>, but I cannot get javAPRS to work (unsigned active-x control).
>
>Is there another place I can view these stations?
1) Java applets don't use Active-X controls. The whole point of Java
on web pages is that it DOESN'T use proprietary techniques such as
Active-X that only work on Windows.
2) Once again someone is quoting or referencing an obsolete domain.
Bob's site is now on an EDU domain Due to a mis-configured domain
server, the old domain continues to (sometimes for some people) respond.
It should be:
How many more decades is it going to take to exterminate the citing of
..MIL version of links to Bob's site from other websites and search engines??
3) There is NO Java or Active-X controls on the page. It's only a
static GIF image on a normal HTML page.
4) The findu link shown on the page may or may not truely show what
is out there since it is only sorting by symbol. The list assumes that
all gateways use the diamond-G icon. Many other stations are gating but
not using that symbol and thus don't show in the list. The findu page
is also just normal HTML with a 4-column table on it.
--
Stephen H. Smith wa8lmf (at) aol.com
EchoLink Node: 14400 [Think bottom of the 2M band]
Home Page: http://wa8lmf.com --OR-- http://wa8lmf.net
NEW! TNC Test CD
http://wa8lmf.net/TNCtest
JavAPRS Filter Port 14580 Guide
http://wa8lmf.net/aprs/JAVaprsFilters.htm
"APRS 101" Explanation of APRS Path Selection & Digipeating
http://wa8lmf.net/DigiPaths
Updated "Rev G" APRS http://wa8lmf.net/aprs
Symbols Set for UI-View,
UIpoint and APRSplus:
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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:37:16 -0600
From: "John Habbinga" <kc5zrq_at_gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] HF Gateway Stations
Thank you Bob for pointing out the new link.
And Stephen, well thanks for your help. And thanks for NOT being whiney or
condescending about it.
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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 17:40:16 -0600
From: Chuck Gooden <cgooden_at_insightbb.com>
Subject: [aprssig] USB Software Update
Instead of looking for a laptop with RS-232 maybe we should consider
changing the software so we could use USB, or at least support some of
the USB to RS232 adapters.
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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 18:46:12 -0500
From: Drew Baxter <droobie_at_maine.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] USB Software Update
The PL2303 based adapters work very well. I have yet to have a problem
with one and the Mac as well as Windows supports them.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1230&
71CatId=464
I bought that one a few months ago. No complaints and a good price. Now I
can use my Proscan/Elmscan unit and console Ciscos using the same adapter
and my Macbook Pro in Windows or Mac as needed. :)
--Droo, K1XVM
At 06:40 PM 2/6/2007, Chuck Gooden wrote:
>Instead of looking for a laptop with RS-232 maybe we should consider
>changing the software so we could use USB, or at least support some of
>the USB to RS232 adapters.
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Message: 26
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:52:08 -0600
From: "John Habbinga" <kc5zrq_at_gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] HF Gateway Stations
>It shows about 123 HF gates right now. But this is based on the
>use of the HF-GATE symbol, not on whether these gates are
>actually on HF.
I went through each station that was located in the United States. It
appears that most of them are VHF I-Gates. I was only able to verify that
4 are definitely receiving HF. Judging from software versions, path
settings and comments, I'd guess that the majority aren't even Internet
gateways of any type.
I was considering putting an I-Gate for APRS on 30-meters, but I don't know
how much demand there really is for one.
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Message: 27
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 18:57:33 -0500
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga_at_usna.edu>
Subject: RE: [aprssig] HF Gateway Stations
>>It shows about 123 HF gates right now. But this is
>>based on the use of the HF-GATE symbol, not on whether
>>these gates are actually on HF.
>
>I went through each station that was located in the United
>States. It appears that most of them are VHF I-Gates.
>I was only able to verify that 4 are receiving HF.
Ah, that is why I wanted EVERYONE to properly use the GATE symbol with
OVERLAYS. That way all Igates would show with "I"'s on them and all HF
gates would show with "H" on them. That was the plan back in 1996 when we
came out with the OVERLAY symbols. But I just checked FINDU and not a
single station anywhere in the world is properly using the GATE symbol with
"H" overlay...
Oh well. Maybe some client software has the symbols misslabled?
Bob, WB4APR
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Message: 28
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:06:05 -0500
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga_at_usna.edu>
Subject: RE: [aprssig] HF Gateway Stations
>>4) The findu link shown on the page may or may not
>>truely show what is out there since it is only sorting
>>by symbol. The list assumes that all gateways use
>>the diamond-G icon.
Thanks Stephen, but where is the "/&" symbol referred to as a "diamond-G"?
That is one of the oldest APRS symbols dating back to 1993. And it has
always been called HF-GATE. Though in the 1996 time frame I tried to get
everyone to start using the GATE overlays so that we could have many more
different types of GATEways and make better use of our symbols..
Anyway, if it is referered to as a "diamond-G" then maybe we need to update
that reference.
Oh, and all Igates are supposed to be using the "I&" symbol which is the
GATE with an "I" overlay. I think that still has people using the wrong
symbol for years and years...
Bob, WB4APR
>>Many other stations are gating but not
>>using that symbol and thus don't show in the list.
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Message: 29
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:07:33 -0500
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga_at_usna.edu>
Subject: [aprssig] RAFT in Packet-Voice mode
Henk, PA3GUO, reports that he has just -enabled- RAFT VOICE mode.
Enabled, this means that any station may TURN ON voice mode over his
country with a single CONNECT RAFT packet. The voice synthesizer will
remain on for 90 seconds for eveyone to use.
Only the CONNECT packet is required of that station. After his connect
packet brings up RAFT, then he can fore a disconnect so he can try an APRS
MESSAGE to TALK just like everyone else.
Once the VOICE synthesizer is on, then anyone can send a UI APRS formatted
MESSAGE to the callsign of "TALK" and RAFT will speak it (if it decodes
it)...
RAFT is very weak and hard to hear except on HIGH overhead passes, even
with beams. Please do NOT attempt to turn on RAFT or to send TALK messages
if you cannot hear it. You may be QRMing other stations.
Thanks
Bob Bruninga, WB4APR
US Naval Academy Satellite Lab
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Message: 30
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:51:10 -0800
From: "Stephen H. Smith" <wa8lmf2_at_aol.com>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] USB Software Update
droobie_at_maine.rr.com wrote:
>The PL2303 based adapters work very well. I have yet to have a
>problem with one and the Mac as well as Windows supports them.
>
>http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1231
07&CatId=464
>
>
>I bought that one a few months ago. No complaints and a good price.
>Now I can use my Proscan/Elmscan unit and console Ciscos using the
>same adapter and my Macbook Pro in Windows or Mac as needed. :)
>
>--Droo, K1XVM
That particular unit looks particularly nice since it has only a 1-foot
pigtail. With most USB-to-serial adapters you wind up with another 6-8
feet of cable added to the existing serial cable from the TNC, D700, etc
just adding to the mess behind the computer.
>At 06:40 PM 2/6/2007, Chuck Gooden wrote:
>>Instead of looking for a laptop with RS-232 maybe we should consider
>>changing the software so we could use USB, or at least support some of
>>the USB to RS232 adapters.
1) You are going to re-write someone elses program to make it work
with native USB??
2) You don't need to re-write anything to use USB-to-serial converters.
They are provided with drivers that create virtual serial ports that
classic programs then use. The problem is that the quality of the
supplied "mystery box" driver utilities vary wildly. Some work very well,
others not at all with particular programs or versions of the OS.
It's a real crapshoot, and you may have to try several different models
before you find one that works with your particular application or OS. In
this respect, the relatively pricey Edgeport USB-to-serial devices are
constantly being reported as working first time, every time when nothing
else will, for various ham-related applications.
The real issue is that none of these alternatives are a via solution to
using USB gizmos from DOS. USB simply doesn't exist at DOS.
--
Stephen H. Smith wa8lmf (at) aol.com
EchoLink Node: 14400 [Think bottom of the 2M band]
Home Page: http://wa8lmf.com --OR-- http://wa8lmf.net
NEW! TNC Test CD
http://wa8lmf.net/TNCtest
JavAPRS Filter Port 14580 Guide
http://wa8lmf.net/aprs/JAVaprsFilters.htm
"APRS 101" Explanation of APRS Path Selection & Digipeating
http://wa8lmf.net/DigiPaths
Updated "Rev G" APRS http://wa8lmf.net/aprs
Symbols Set for UI-View,
UIpoint and APRSplus:
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