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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 07:30:11 -0500
From: Steve Dimse <steve_at_dimse.com>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] I Apologize!
On Jan 7, 2007, at 3:07 AM, dick_at_kb7zva.com wrote:
>Tier 2 couldn't handle the impact and caused many failures and
>complaints from
>the ham community. Phil and I both wish the CWOP's the best
>wherever they
>end up. I apologize to everyone for being a key factor in the
>flooding of non-ham
>data into the APRS-IS. It ended today at Tier 2. The wrath of BLUE
>will slowly
>re-appear if you let it according to the new plan.
I used to just think Dick was just a nasty old cuss that liked to argue
(yes, just like myself), but now I'm not so sure. An hour before he sent
this, he was begging Russ at NWS to update his server information so some
of the displaced CWOP users would still come through his server. When Russ
responded by removing all mention of Tier 2 servers from the CWOP pages,
this comes out of Dick's mouth, trying to say he acted in the best
interests of ham radio.
For years, Phil and Dick lobbied hard with the weather program operators
and CWOP users to use their servers. You know, just like they do here, with
stories of how the core is struggling, and how great their tier is. They
succeeded to the point where the majority of the CWOP users had only Tier 2
servers in their connection list. What they did yesterday was cut off, with
an hour's warning (sent to the CWOP administrator's NOAA email address on a
Saturday), the feed of more than 3000 weather stations that the NWS and
others have come to rely on, at a time when people are literally dying of
bad weather in the US. It made amateur radio look very amateurish, like
some of us had taken our ball and gone home.
I have no doubt that the tier 2 sysops believe the core is teetering,
however it most certainly is not, and yesterday proved it. The core was
running at 40% capacity before their temper tantrum. When the Tier 2
servers shut down their CWOP port, about 800 CWOP users immediately
transfered to second. This was a result of old recommendations that had
users placing second.aprs.net as their backup server. Second was already
the most heavily loaded of the three servers by far before the tier 2
shutdown, normally running at about 80% capacity. However, it took an 800%
increase in CWOP data without the slightest problem, going to 83% usage.
Since then, another 200 users have manually updated their connection to the
core. In total, these 1000 users raised the load on the core 2%, to 42%.
This is because a CWOP user is roughly 100th the load of an APRS user,
connecting for a few seconds every 5 to 15 minutes.
This is not made up, anyone that chooses to can see the stats pages on the
servers
http://1.aprs.net:14501
http://2.aprs.net:14501
http://3.aprs.net:14501
Tier 2 seems to have drunk their own Kool-Aid, doing a sudden shutdown on a
weekend with the hope of crumbling the core, when that failed they
backpedaled and said CWOP was still welcome on a different port. When the
CWOP administrator responded by removing all mention of Tier 2 from the
configuration page, they brought their fight over to this list, trying to
become the champions of a fight against the "sea of blue".
APRS users are free to choose whichever server they want. If you are happy
with a connection to Tier 2, fine with me, just when your data does not
appear on findU, email them not me. If you want to use the core, and I
think that is better, there is plenty of capacity, the connections are
closer to findU and other core users, and the servers are run by Greg,
Dave, and Gerry, who demonstrate the ham radio ideals of service and
professionalism. By the end of today, a forth core server should be up and
running, which would be enough capacity to handle all of tier 2's traffic,
should they decide to turn that off tomorrow. If they do, the core will be
able add another server or two to assure uninterrupted service with one or
two failures of core servers. The core isn't going to take their ball and
go home.
I'm sorry you all got caught up in this, but you need to hear both sides
and make your own choice.
Steve K4HG
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 08:00:10 -0700
From: "David Holm" <n7drh_at_hughes.net>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] I Apologize!
If it is a choice between Dick and ANYone else Dick would still lose.
--Dave τΏτ¬ N7DRH
I'm old enough to remember when sex was dirty and the air was clean
Steve Dimse wrote:
>I'm sorry you all got caught up in this, but you need to hear both
>sides and make your own choice.
>
>Steve K4HG
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 10:02:13 -0500
From: Steve Dimse <steve_at_dimse.com>
Subject: [aprssig] Re: [wxqc] CWOP server status
Since I am the first to criticize, it is only fair to be the first to offer
thanks to Dick for turning his port 23 CWOP server back on. I'll shut up
now.
Steve K4HG
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 10:49:19 -0500
From: "Brian Webster" <bwebster_at_wirelessmapping.com>
Subject: RE: [aprssig] I Apologize!
For those of us who don't follow the different servers and which network
they belong to, is there a list that tells which ones belong to the core
(and the ports they offer) and which ones are Tier 2?
Thank You,
Brian N2KGC
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 10:00:48 -0600
From: bob evinger <wd9eka_at_evinger.com>
Subject: [aprssig] aprs.net DNS problems, anyone else seeing it?
Noticed that my igate was not connecting this morning. Through my ISP none
of the aprs.net servers addresses are resolving.
I'm in east central Illinois. I VPN'd into my work whose DNS servers are
based in NY and the IP's are resolving from there.
Temporarily I have changed my config file to connect to first/second/third
with their IP addresses.
I'm just wondering if anyone else is having DNS problems or it is just my
ISP, or this area of the country.
thanks
bob
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 11:27:54 -0500
From: "Rich Garcia" <k4gps_at_comporium.net>
Subject: [aprssig] OT: Any Smart Home "Geeks" still here?
It's off topic but I know several here are Smart Home "geeks".
I have moved to SC and am getting ready to buy some 54 acres and build a
house. Can anyone send me a private message to k4gps_at_arrl.net and fill
me in on the best forums for these topics ? When I google (as usuall
now)all I get back is links to people selling stuff, not forums or mailing
lists.
With 54 acres and a 3500sq ft home if I am going to be doing anything
"smart" I am going to have to design it into the build now before I start
and I am planning on starting in about 1 month. I was back on APRS for a
couple of months but my shack/office was lost to my Mom when she came up
for the holidays, now she is here for good I will not have a shack or
office till' the home is completed. One of the 1st things planned for the
new home is a WX station up on APRS and a 72ft TriEx tower.I may even do
the HF Gate again if there is interest still on 30M APRS.
Thanks,
Rich K4GPS
Rock Hill SC
k4gps_at_arrl.net
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 11:32:58 -0500
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga_at_usna.edu>
Subject: RE: [aprssig] RAFT/ANDE Progress report
"'TAPR APRS Mailing List'" <aprssig_at_lists.tapr.org>
>It never had a satelite like PCSAT. Yesterday I was able to
>repeat my packet using 100mW with THD7 + AL-800. Elevation
>was 5 degree. Is there a PCSAT3 in the future?
>73, Francisco
>PT2TD
Francisco, what is an AL-800? How much gain?
Yes PCSAT-1 has been in orbit since Sept 2001 and works sometimes during
mid-day passes in the northern hemisphere. But 3 weeks every year (in the
winter) we can fully recover it when sun angles are best. It is a lot of
fun. We are working on future simple APRS satellites like this. They are
simply a Kantronics KPC-3+ TNC, some solar panels and a TX/RX...
Thanks
Bob, Wb4APR PCSAT-1 command station
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 10:48:47 -0600
From: "AE5PL Lists" <HamLists_at_ametx.com>
Subject: RE: [aprssig] I Apologize!
first.aprs.net, second.aprs.net, and third.aprs.net are the core servers.
All others are non-core servers. You can find out addresses of the various
servers at http://www.aprs-is.net/aprsservers.htm That page also has a
hyperlink for each server indicating what ports are available and what they
do.
73,
Pete Loveall AE5PL
pete at ae5pl.net
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Brian Webster
>
>For those of us who don't follow the different servers and which network
>they belong to, is there a list that tells which ones belong to the core
>(and the ports they offer) and which ones are Tier 2?
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