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Today's Topics:
1. Zeff Wheelock is on vacation (Zeff_Wheelock_at_harvardpilgrim.org)
2. Re: PSKMail Live CD (Steve Dimse)
3. Re: PSKMail Live CD (Steve Dimse)
4. Re: PSKMail Live CD (Bill Vodall WA7NWP)
5. Re: PSKMail Live CD (Jack Chomley)
6. First RAFT packets maybe over Australia (Robert Bruninga)
7. Latest TLE set for RAFT and NMARS (Robert Bruninga)
8. Re: Latest TLE set for RAFT and NMARS (Charles Doughtie)
9. Re: Latest TLE set for RAFT and NMARS (Stan Leeds)
10. Re: Latest TLE set for RAFT and NMARS (Charles Doughtie)
11. RE: Latest TLE set for RAFT and NMARS (Robert Bruninga)
12. RAFT first 2 passes status: (Robert Bruninga)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 13:02:59 -0500
From: Zeff_Wheelock_at_harvardpilgrim.org
Subject: [aprssig] Zeff Wheelock is on vacation
I will be out of the office starting 12/20/2006 and will not return until
01/01/2007.
I will be in St. Croix, USVI. I will return your email when I get back into
range.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 13:44:27 -0500
From: Steve Dimse <steve_at_dimse.com>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] PSKMail Live CD
On Dec 20, 2006, at 12:16 PM, Rick Green wrote:
>Openness isn't just in the spirit of Ham radio, it's the law. On
>some level, using the Amateur frequencies to make transmissions in
>proprietary protocols could be seen as proscribed under the 'Codes
>and Ciphers' rule. If the protocols that Winlink uses are indeed
>closed, then its use on the ham bands is illegal, pure and simple.
That is not the case in the US. What is illegal is transmitting in codes or
ciphers intended to obscure the meaning of the communication. That is not
the same thing as a closed protocol. WinLink transmissions are in PACTOR
III, which, although a proprietary protocol, is completely legal on the
amateur bands. There is even a section of Part 97 that says that you can
use unspecified digital codes on the air, there is no requirement to report
the code to the FCC, much less to make it open!
Steve K4HG
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 13:57:55 -0500
From: Steve Dimse <steve_at_dimse.com>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] PSKMail Live CD
On Dec 20, 2006, at 11:18 AM, Jeff Davis, KE9V wrote:
>Following your logic I could develop a new mode of operation that
>could only be accessed using a certain ICOM transceiver (for example).
>Legal? Yes... in the spirit of the hobby?
The spirit of the hobby is providing service to others. WinLink does that
in a superb manner, in the very best spirit of ham radio. That they set
standards and have to say no to some volunteers in order to provide the
best possible service does not violate the spirit of amateur radio. Traffic
nets have the same limitations, just because you want to be a net control
station doesn't mean you will be allowed to do so.
>Creating and promoting exclusionary modes that require proprietary
>hardware and software seems more like an old boys club than
>enlightened thinking -- especially when those signals invade the RF
>sandbox where we are all allowed to play.
The FCC specifically allows closed repeaters in the US. There is absolutely
no legal or moral obligation to allow every ham to play on any system.
Steve K4HG
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:30:13 -0800
From: "Bill Vodall WA7NWP" <wa7nwp_at_gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] PSKMail Live CD
>There are no other systems out there than can
>accomplish what theirs can (not yet anyhow), therefore we are forced to use
>their proprietary closed system and they decide who becomes a PMBO or not
>and if you meet their "criteria"
There are other, probably better and even "open source" communications
packages freely available today. All anyone would have to do is throw
hundreds or thousands of hours at it to turn them on and build "the
system." That's the key - it's the "system" not the technology being
used.
Yes - it should be open. There are long term consequences of the current
setup that are not good. WL2K really needs a Tier 2 system but since the
ARRL/ARES folks who should really be doing it are, how do I put this
politely, "distracted" and there aren't many folks willing to put in the
effort on such a non-critical project, it's probably not going to happen.
In the mean time, PSKEmail is a good small step to keep the fire burning.
73
Bill - WA7NWP
PS. Much progress has been made in the arena of Virtual PC's. Microsoft's
Virtual PC (free!!!) will run most linux software. Likewise there's VMWare
and other tools to run Windows software on *nix. The OS issue is blurring.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtualpc/default.mspx
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 06:49:47 +1000
From: Jack Chomley <radio_at_dodo.com.au>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] PSKMail Live CD
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I am just grateful that the likes of Steve Dimse, the WinLink guys and
others in this hobby that provide all sorts of facilities for open Amateur
use, allow me to "play" in their sandbox, even if it is under their rules.
Without people like this.....Amateur radio would be much worse off.
Jack, VK4JRC
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:34:59 -0500
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga_at_usna.edu>
Subject: [aprssig] First RAFT packets maybe over Australia
Australian Hams should listen for RAFT separation at 0156 UTC.
Present predicts show RAFT being deployed on a pass over Sydney, with the
satellite approaching the ENE horizon. Australian hams might hear one or
two of the 145.825 telemetry packets before LOS. Please report any packet
received to bruninga_at_usna.edu direct so I get soonest copy. Do not send
negative reports.
Thanks
Bob Bruninga, WB4APR
USNA Satellite Lab
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:41:26 -0500
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga_at_usna.edu>
Subject: [aprssig] Latest TLE set for RAFT and NMARS
Ken Ernandes has computed these TLE's for RAFT deploy next hour:
MEPSI DEPLOY
1 99998U 06055D 06355.01360881 .00000000 00000-0 91704-6
006
2 99998 51.6343 304.3001 0015828 31.3779 267.4510
15.8302194203
RAFT DEPLOY
1 99997U 06055C 06355.08097461 .00000000 00000-0 82442-6
002
2 99997 51.6464 303.9408 0014075 21.9960 300.6403
15.8256639700
NMARS DEPLOY
1 99999U 06055E 06355.08096667 .00000000 00000-0 90941-6
004
2 99999 51.6413 303.9459 0015371 14.7776 307.8106
15.8202950400
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 17:14:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Doughtie <n5exy_at_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Latest TLE set for RAFT and NMARS
FWIW I got a checksum error with each of these upon attempting to load them
into InstantTrack.
de Charlie, N5EXY
South Suburban Greater Hutto, Texas
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 20:22:46 -0500
From: Stan Leeds <srkleeds_at_sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Latest TLE set for RAFT and NMARS
Charles,
Check the format. When I made mine, there were extra lines and I used
examples from another TLE file to format them.
I am using Satscape and it seems to update correctly.
Stan/KC7EHJ
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:04:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Doughtie <n5exy_at_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Latest TLE set for RAFT and NMARS
--- Stan Leeds <srkleeds_at_sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>Charles,
>Check the format. When I made mine, there were extra lines and I used
>examples from another TLE file to format them.
>
>I am using Satscape and it seems to update correctly.
>
>Stan/KC7EHJ
I did that but no good - do you still have yours?
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 21:08:56 -0500
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga_at_usna.edu>
Subject: RE: [aprssig] Latest TLE set for RAFT and NMARS
The keps I emailed ot broke.
Use the ones posted on the ANDE-RAFT-OOPS web page...
http://www.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/ande-raft-ops.html
Sorry.
Bob
WB4APR
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