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Today's Topics:
1. APRS Network Analysis (Andy Pritchard)
2. Re: APRS Network Analysis (Earl Needham)
3. RE: APRS Network Analysis (Herb Gerhardt)
4. Re: APRS Network Analysis (Andy Pritchard)
5. Re: APRS Network Analysis (Earl Needham)
6. Re: APRS Network Analysis (Jan T. Pharo)
7. Re: APRS Network Analysis (Jan T. Pharo)
8. Re: APRS Network Analysis (Earl Needham)
9. RE: APRS Network Analysis (Cap Pennell)
10. Re: APRS Network Analysis (Mark Miller)
11. APRS group on Myspace (scott_at_opentrac.org)
12. Re: APRS group on Myspace (Jason Rausch)
13. RE: APRS group on Myspace (scott_at_opentrac.org)
14. RE: APRS group on Myspace (John Gleichweit)
15. Re: APRS group on Myspace (James)
16. Re: APRS group on Myspace (John Habbinga)
17. Re: APRS Network Analysis (Jan T. Pharo)
18. Re: APRS group on Myspace (Jason Rausch)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 18:29:49 +0100
From: "Andy Pritchard" <apritch_at_blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: [aprssig] APRS Network Analysis
Hi All
I have put together a quick UI-View32 addon to analyse the paths used on
the APRS network and plot the analysis on UI-View32
http://www.apritch.myby.co.uk/networka100.zip
http://www.apritch.myby.co.uk/networka.jpg
What is interesting about the analysis is that the sample showed that in
Europe [WIDE1-1,WIDEn-n] is used in 892 paths whilst [RELAY, TRACEn-n] is
used in 429 paths.
What is most concerning about this is in Europe most digipeaters do not
implement UITRACE on the WIDEn-n (it's on TRACEn-n)
Because of this we need to inform our users to stop using WIDE and WIDEn-n
in there paths and to make use of the default TRACEn-n functionality built
into our European APRS network
Snapshot details:
******************
***EUROPE***
******************
http://www.apritch.myby.co.uk/temp/eu.jpg
2627 Total Stations
160 RELAY, WIDE, TRACE, WIDEn-n, TRACEn-n
20 RELAY, WIDEn-n, TRACEn-n
429 RELAY, TRACEn-n (EU Nirvana)
99 RELAY, WIDEn-n
137 WIDEn-n, TRACEn-n
892 WIDE1-1,WIDEn-n (USA Nirvana - IF Traceable)
1103 WIDEn-n
669 TRACEn-n
232 RELAY
316 WIDE
61 TRACE
29 WIDE1-1
******************
******USA******
******************
http://www.apritch.myby.co.uk/temp/usa.jpg
2589 Total Stations
40 RELAY, WIDE, TRACE, WIDEn-n, TRACEn-n
0 RELAY, WIDEn-n, TRACEn-n
13 RELAY, TRACEn-n (EU Nirvana)
18 RELAY, WIDEn-n
0 WIDEn-n, TRACEn-n
1196 WIDE1-1,WIDEn-n (USA Nirvana - IF Traceable)
1095 WIDEn-n
14 TRACEn-n
57 RELAY
178 WIDE
0 TRACE
125 WIDE1-1
Andy, M0CYP - Telford
http://www.apritch.myby.co.uk/uiview.htm
http://www.apritch.myby.co.uk/radioprop.htm
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 11:54:39 -0600
From: Earl Needham <needhame1_at_plateautel.net>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] APRS Network Analysis
At 11:29 AM 9/23/2006, Andy Pritchard wrote:
>Hi All
>
>I have put together a quick UI-View32 addon to analyse the paths used on
>the APRS network and plot the analysis on UI-View32
>
>http://www.apritch.myby.co.uk/networka100.zip
>
>http://www.apritch.myby.co.uk/networka.jpg
Hey, this looks like a good tool, thanks for the effort!
Something is a amiss in my setup, though -- all the "snowflakes" appear to
be just a little east of the stations -- I'm seeing "snowflakes" actually
show up miles out into the Gulf of Mexico, however, when I zoom in, they
appear to be in the correct positions.
Using Precision Mapping 7 with Ui-View32 -- uh -- I thought it was a later
version, but it reports as 2.03.
Earl
Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 10:58:35 -0700
From: "Herb Gerhardt" <hgerhardt_at_wavecable.com>
Subject: RE: [aprssig] APRS Network Analysis
Interesting data.
Looks like the European APRS networks will be forced into adapting the
North American new settings. It is just a matter of time before more and
more of their networks will have to follow suit. This is due to, not only
would they have a more efficient APRS Network but the problem with our
great internet is that OLD pages do not get updated when major operational
changes are made. New people researching the Internet for more information
find lots of USA pages with current recommended settings for the US which
they think are the settings they also must use regardless of where they are
located. So right now, we still have lots of confusion as to the correct
settings.
The only real resolution is that we all use the same settings world wide
and people who have web pages out there need to update or just delete pages
that contain the wrong settings. Keep in mind, there was a reason why we
changed our path settings. It makes the APRS System more efficient, we
just need the few hold-outs to update their digi's to the new settings.
Sure would be nice if a mobile path of WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1 would work WORLD
wide! I can dream, can't I?
Herb, KB7UVC
NW APRS Group, West Sound Coordinator
Our WEB Site: http://www.nwaprs.info
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 19:09:22 +0100
From: "Andy Pritchard" <apritch_at_blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] APRS Network Analysis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Earl Needham" <needhame1_at_plateautel.net>
>At 11:29 AM 9/23/2006, Andy Pritchard wrote:
>>Hi All
>>
>>I have put together a quick UI-View32 addon to analyse the paths used on
>>the APRS network and plot the analysis on UI-View32
>>
>>http://www.apritch.myby.co.uk/networka100.zip
>>
>>http://www.apritch.myby.co.uk/networka.jpg
>
>Hey, this looks like a good tool, thanks for the effort!
>
>Something is a amiss in my setup, though -- all the "snowflakes"
>appear to be just a little east of the stations -- I'm seeing "snowflakes"
>actually show up miles out into the Gulf of Mexico, however, when I zoom
>in, they appear to be in the correct positions.
>
>Using Precision Mapping 7 with Ui-View32 -- uh -- I thought it was
>a later version, but it reports as 2.03.
>
>Earl
>
>Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk
Hi Earl
It's the way UI-View32 plots text (combined with font size) it's actually
anchored from the position specified but down and off to the right, rather
than centred over the position
Andy, M0CYP - Telford
http://www.apritch.myby.co.uk/uiview.htm
http://www.apritch.myby.co.uk/radioprop.htm
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 12:23:03 -0600
From: Earl Needham <needhame1_at_plateautel.net>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] APRS Network Analysis
At 12:09 PM 9/23/2006, Andy Pritchard wrote:
><snip>
>Hi Earl
>
>It's the way UI-View32 plots text (combined with font size) it's actually
>anchored from the position specified but down and off to the right, rather
>than centred over the position
Well that makes sense -- thanks!
Earl
Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 20:54:45 +0200
From: "Jan T. Pharo" <la2bba_at_jpharo.net>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] APRS Network Analysis
Earl Needham <needhame1_at_plateautel.net>, Sat, 23 Sep 2006 11:54:39
-0600:
>Using Precision Mapping 7 with Ui-View32 -- uh -- I thought it was
>a later version, but it reports as 2.03.
Hi, Earl;
There is no newer version of UI-View than 2.03
--
73 de Jan, LA2BBA
Hvaler, Norway
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 20:57:19 +0200
From: "Jan T. Pharo" <la2bba_at_jpharo.net>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] APRS Network Analysis
"Andy Pritchard" <apritch_at_blueyonder.co.uk>, Sat, 23 Sep 2006 18:29:49
+0100:
>What is most concerning about this is in Europe most digipeaters do not
>implement UITRACE on the WIDEn-n (it's on TRACEn-n)
I'd hope it is easier to make sysops change the digi settings than to get
users to change their mobile and fixed settings. However, due to recent
experience with some LA and OZ sysops, I'm sad to say I doubt that.
--
73 de Jan, LA2BBA
Hvaler, Norway
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 13:49:10 -0600
From: Earl Needham <needhame1_at_plateautel.net>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] APRS Network Analysis
At 12:54 PM 9/23/2006, Jan T. Pharo wrote:
>Earl Needham <needhame1_at_plateautel.net>, Sat, 23 Sep 2006 11:54:39
>-0600:
>
>>Using Precision Mapping 7 with Ui-View32 -- uh -- I thought it was
>>a later version, but it reports as 2.03.
>
>Hi, Earl;
>There is no newer version of UI-View than 2.03
Jan, I'd rather not receive any more email from you -- the junk from
January 2005 was enough.
Earl
Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk
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