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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:00:44 -0500
From: Ron Stordahl <ron.stordahl_at_digikey.com>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] RE: New EU Paradigm also Uiview32 and New-N for
the USA
John
You said :"...Collisions would ensue because many TNCs will not wait and
listen if digipeating an alias, but they will if decrementing a WIDEn-N."
I have never seen this...however all the area digipeaters are TNC2's with
the UIDIGI-ROM firmware. Perhaps this code does not have that issue?
Could it be unique to the KPC3's? I wonder if this occurs in UIView32
digipeaters?
Ron, N5IN
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:12:43 -0700
From: "Cap Pennell" <cap_at_cruzio.com>
Subject: RE: [ui-view] Re: [aprssig] RE: New EU Paradigm also Uiview32
and New-N for the USA
I believe that difference only relates to how the text is displayed (laid
out) when received on the little window of the Kenwood APRS radios, the
TH-D7 HT and TM-D700 mobile. Sort of like a "Tiny Web Page":
http://cadigweb.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/aprs/TWP.html
73, Cap KE6AFE
>-----Original Message-----
>
>Cap...in my uiview32.ini file I have my beacon comment as:
>
>BEACON_COMMENT=PHG6360 W3,MNn Thief River Falls MN 146.85-
>
>Notice I have no "/" following the PHG6360 nor after the MNn. I believe
>it's Bob Bruninga WB4APR's recommendation not to use the "/". I don't
>know why however.
>
>Ron, N5IN
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:47:43 -0500
From: David Huff <davidh_at_cf.distek.com>
Subject: RE: [ui-view] Re: [aprssig] RE: New EU Paradigm also Uiview32
and New-N for the USA
You might also look at the details for the CGIs you use on the findu pages.
I think the Weather CGI requires a forward slash "/" at the end of the
weather data to work, you have to add it into your comment section. (I
found that if you don't, findu will not recognize the WX data, just see it
all as comments) It really depends on which findu CGIs you use.
David KC0GFO
>I believe that difference only relates to how the text is displayed (laid
>out) when received on the little window of the Kenwood APRS radios, the
>TH-D7 HT and TM-D700 mobile. Sort of like a "Tiny Web Page":
>http://cadigweb.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/aprs/TWP.html
>
>73, Cap KE6AFE
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:29:49 -0400
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga_at_usna.edu>
Subject: [aprssig] New EU final summary...?
My final summary of New-N for Europe:
OK,
I have now re-worded the original New-EU Paradigm web page to best reflect
the present conditions in the system and best explaination for it. I will
leave it stand this way, and hope that it takes root and becomes the
standard. Here is the New-EU Paradigm recommendation.
http://www.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/aprs/new-eu-paradigm.txt
Hope this helps.
Again, Uiview -users- who already use the PATH of WIDEn-N do not
have to change anything.
But those few Uiview users that are also DIGIS in Europe do need to make
some changes and those changes are found elsewhere. Also I have heard that
there are TOO MANY home stations acting as DIGI's and that is another
problem that needs to be solved, but is beyond the scope of this email.
Hope this helps better explain things.
Good luck
Bob Bruninga, WB4APR
>|I appologize for this message.
>|My wording got things backwards and confused people.
>|we are discussing these things over on the APRSSIG,
>|and will continue discussion there. But my statement
>|encouraging TRACEn-N was backwards. So
>|I want to RETRACT that message (below). It
>|was confusing and backwards. Thank you.
>|
>|Bob Bruninga, WB4APR
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 18:28:58 -0700
From: "Cap Pennell" <cap_at_cruzio.com>
Subject: RE: [aprssig] New EU final summary...?
Bob, this new new-eu-paradigm.txt looks fine to me except for on one line,
only one letter (apparently a typo).
In new-eu-paradigm.txt you wrote:
New-EU Paradigm DIGIPEATER RULES:
3) For NETWORK reliability, All digipeaters should:
a) Put their PHG in their position comment
b) Put "Wn,SSn" also to show the largest N they support
c) The SSn shows what regional or sectional SSn-N they support
d) Use the DIGI syumbol with "E" overlay.
d) -or- use the "1" overlay for WIDE1-1 ONLY home digis.
But I think and hope you meant to use an "S" overlay on the digi star map
symbol for those "Wn,SSn" digis. And not a "E" overlay.
If it's only a typo, as I hope, then the new-eu-paradigm.txt should instead
say "S" instead of "E" like this:
3) <snip>
d) Use the DIGI symbol with "S" overlay.
d) -or- use the "1" overlay for WIDE1-1 ONLY home digis.
73, Cap
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 08:12:10 +0100
From: "Andy Pritchard" <apritch_at_blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] New EU final summary...?
Hi Bob
I disagree with your conclusion
The path of least resistance is always the most efficient to get something
done. So in simple terms all Europe needs to do is disable WIDE and WIDEn-n
in line with the following guidelines
http://www.apritch.myby.co.uk/uiview_neweu.htm
Andy, M0CYP - Telford
http://www.apritch.myby.co.uk/uiview.htm
http://www.apritch.myby.co.uk/radioprop.htm
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:23:25 +0100
From: John Ronan <jronan_at_tssg.org>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] New EU final summary...?
On 22 Sep 2006, at 08:12, Andy Pritchard wrote:
>Hi Bob
>
>I disagree with your conclusion
>
>The path of least resistance is always the most efficient to get
>something done. So in simple terms all Europe needs to do is
>disable WIDE and WIDEn-n in line with the following guidelines
>
>http://www.apritch.myby.co.uk/uiview_neweu.htm
>
>
>Andy, M0CYP - Telford
>http://www.apritch.myby.co.uk/uiview.htm
>http://www.apritch.myby.co.uk/radioprop.htm
Afternoon,
For what its worth, in the South East of Ireland, we are using WIDEn-n,
recommended for Mobile stations is WIDE1-1, WIDE2-1. RELAY was deprecated
about a year ago, and I don't think we support it anymore. When we replace
the UI-DIGI nodes with Scott N1VG's OT2s, then RELAY will be a long distant
memory.
Regards
de John
EI7IG
--
John Ronan <jronan_at_tssg.org>, +353-51-302938
Telecommunications Software & Systems Group, http://www.tssg.org
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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:38:21 +0200
From: "Jan T. Pharo" <la2bba_at_jpharo.net>
Subject: [aprssig] Re: New EU Paradigm (final comment)
Kai Gunter Brandt <kai.brandt_at_cih.uib.no>, Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:07:11
+0200:
>And if we on the SouthWest Norway agree that another setup suits us more
>then we again have a problem when the people from north/east are
>visiting i.e Bergen.
Not at all. The _visitors_ have the problem. Or those following them on
their maps.
Anyway, you don't achieve a system change by not communicating with the
neighbours (danes, swedes, brits, scots, germans, east norwegians).
>>If that is true, the system we had (and still have in most of Europe
>>except TF, South West Norway, and Poland) was quite OK.
>>TRACEn-N in the original system is working just the same way as
>>WIDEn-N in the local US and Canadian system (which is heavily promoted
>>by LA3QNA for use in Europe).
>>The single new item is the option to add country/regional,
>>non-traceable feed.
>
>LA3QMA----
(I made a typo; it is LA3QMA, sorry)
With the distance across the Atlantic and the very different traffic
pattern, there should have been no need to change the existing traceable
system in Europe with the new north american traceable system, before
having reached a mutual agreement in most of the APRS-active part of Region 1.
(EOD in the UI-View list; this is cross-posted to aprssig)
--
73 de Jan, LA2BBA
Hvaler, Norway
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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 21:28:54 +1000
From: "Andrew Rich" <vk4tec_at_tech-software.net>
Subject: [aprssig] WINE for LINUX
Anyone used WINE for LINUX ?
How do you use it ?
Andrew Rich
Amateur radio callsign VK4TEC
email: vk4tec_at_tech-software.net
web: http://www.tech-software.net
Brisbane AUSTRALIA
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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 06:36:39 -0700
From: "VE7GDH" <ve7gdh_at_rac.ca>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] WINE for LINUX
Andrew VK4TEC WROTE...
>Anyone used WINE for LINUX? How do you use it?
Kind of off topic, but... install Linux, install WINE. I'm not using it, but
www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=WINE+for+LINUX Lots of hits.
www.winehq.com/site/about
www.winehq.com/site/download
www.winehq.com/site/howto
www.winehq.com/site/documentation
73 es cul - Keith VE7GDH
--
"I may be lost, but I know exactly where I am!"
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