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Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 10:58:41 -0700
From: "Scott Avery WA6LIE" <wa6lie@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS for Field Day
George,
I basically said the same thing in an earlier Email to the board.
Have a "Gentleman's" agreement to work 1 station per bird then QSY to
another bird or HF or something. Give other's a CHANCE for 100 bonus points!
It is still 1 point for a voice QSO no matter where it is!
No need for pileups!
I remember a contest where you worked a station then relinquished the
frequency to them. Then that station works a station and gives the frequency
to him! Not a bad Idea for satellite work. It would be fair to everyone who
wants a crack at a contact!
73, Scott
BTW 6 meters is wide open to most of USA!
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "George Henry" <ka3hsw@earthlink.net>
To: "amsat bb" <amsat-bb@amsat.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS for Field Day
> What confusion? I wasn't talking about scoring, I was talking about the
> fact
> that the ARRL's refusal to adopt AMSAT's 1 QSO per FM satellite rule
> actually
> CONTRIBUTES to the interference that occurs on the FM birds on Field Day,
> making it much more difficult to make even that FIRST QSO, let alone any
> additional ones.......... it's just like in economics: lower the price,
> sell
> more units, make more profit. If you let everyone try as many times as
> they
> want to, you'll actually have FEWER successful contacts, due to
> interference.
> Limit FM satellite users to 1 QSO per FM bird, and you'll have more
> SUCCESSFUL
> Q's, not less! That is precisely the rationale behind AMSAT's 1 Q per
> FM
> satellite rule.
>
> The ARRL just doesn't get it: it's not about the number of points, it's
> about
> a policy that promotes SUCCESS versus one that actually leads to failure.
> Here's Dan Henderson's reply to my request to implement such a rule:
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
> Hi George:
>
> Thanks for your comments.
>
> This has been discussed in the past and was not adopted. Limiting it to
> one
> QSO kills the incentive for many groups to even attempt trying, just as
> your
> point that allowing it kills groups from trying since they can't be
> successful. Unfortunately either way there are groups that will be
> unhappy.
>
> By the way, they do not receive additional bonus points after the first
> QSO.
> Any addition QSOs count only for QSO points. You don't get additional
> bonus
> points for QSOs on additional satellites.
>
> 73
>
> Dan Henderson, N1ND
> ARRL Contest Branch Manager
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: George Henry [mailto:ka3hsw@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Sat 5/8/2005 6:37 PM
> To: contests
> Cc:
> Subject: Field Day Satellite rules
>
>
>
> AMSAT's Field Day rules restrict a station to ONE QSO per FM satellite,
> due
> to the tremendous overload & interference that occurs (See
> www.amsat.org/amsat-new/awards/amsatfd.php). I think that ARRL's Field
> Day
> rules should do the same. This way, those stations only wishing to get
> the
> 100 point satellite QSO bonus would have a better chance, while those
> willing to put in the effort for additional QSO points could do so on the
> linear transponder birds (AO-7, FO-29, and now, HAMSAT) where there is
> ample
> bandwidth for everyone.
>
> George Henry, KA3HSW
> ARRL Member
>
> ---------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Grant Mitchell
> To: George Henry ; amsat bb
> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 7:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS for Field Day
>
>
>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS for Field Day
>
>
> > What's REALLY a shame is that the ARRL refuses to adopt a 1 QSO per
> pass
> or
> > even 1 QSO per FM sat rule for Field Day..... they actually ENCOURAGE
> the
> > type of operation that makes those birds practically useless FD
> weekend!
> >
> > George, KA3HSW
> >
>
>
> There seems to be some confusion about this so I will try to clarify.
>
> ALL satellite QSO's (including ISS) count for QSO point credit depending
> on
> your entry classification.
> A dedicated satellite station does NOT add to your station total.
> You can only get the SATELITE BONUS of 100 points once......1 QSO
> The ISS is not earth-satellite-earth so would not count toward the
> SATELITE
> BONUS.
>
> My suggestions:
>
> Try to work as many stations, on as many satellites as you can (no
> dupes!).
> Try to work our guys on the ISS (it will be busy).....it will add to your
> score and it's also a nice QSL card. Work any ONE of the other satellites
> for
> the 100 SATELLITE BONUS points......1 QSO. Now sit back and work as many
> as
> you can on all the satellites and increase your score and have fun. I'll
> try
> to be on most (no s band ) CW, SSB, FM and hope to work many of you. FD
> call
> will be N4BP.
>
> Below is a copy of the satellite bonus Field Day rules.
>
> 7.3.7. Satellite QSO: 100 bonus points for successfully completing at
> least
> one QSO via an amateur radio satellite during the Field Day period. Under
> the
> "General Rules for All ARRL Contests" (Rule 3.7.2.), the no-repeater QSO
> stipulation is waived for satellite QSOs. Groups are allowed one dedicated
> satellite transmitter station without increasing their entry category.
> Satellite QSOs also count for regular QSO credit. Show them listed
> separately
> on the summary sheet as a separate "band." You do not receive an
> additional
> bonus for contacting different satellites, though the additional QSOs may
> be
> counted for QSO credit. The QSO must be Earth-Satellite-Earth in nature.
> Available to Classes A, B, and F.
>
> 73 and good luck to all,
> Grant, N4GM
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