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G0CJM > NEWS 18.04.07 21:09l 182 Lines 6482 Bytes #999 (0) @ WW
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Hiya om
> Arrant nonsense.
>
> RSGB is fighting for its *own* survival - not the hobby's,
> as a glance at its annual accounts will show. (Dire).
But this is not new.
>
> RSGB is self-important, self-delusional, self-serving and class-obsessed.
>
> It's lost its way.
A very long time ago.
>
> Everyone knows from RSGB propaganda at rallies, in Radcom and its "Grim
> Reaper" ads in PW that it entered into a combative relationship with
> Ofcom.
Not against? Methinks it colluded all the way.
No-one has ever told the public the truth about digital tv etc..
>
> That's why many such as me - after more than 30 years a member, resigned
> rather than to fund and put the seal of approval on RSGB's churlish
> antics.
I lapsed as BRS50065:)
>
>> The "excuse" that many amateurs give for not joining the RSGB, it would
>> seem, is that the Society has a very twisted view of the hobby, it's
>> future and the direction it may be taking.
>
> Exactly so.
>
> RSGB's been in a rut as deep as a grave for decades.
>
> It's impeded progress of many developments in the hobby, but many like
> me felt it was the right thing to support the only national society, in
> recognition of the efforts of its many unpaid volunteers.
>
> But when you rely on volunteers you get the most willing - not the most
> able. Some do it for the best of altruistic reasons, others are just
> ego-tripping control freaks.
>
> Often they're just old fogey traditionalists who want to maintain the
> status quo. They have an aversion to new technology - especially anything
> to do with computers or internet. We saw it with repeaters, SSB, the Morse
> test, packet, IRLP, the new licence structure and the recent Ofcom
> initiatives.
>
> People like that are excess baggage and just clutter up the hobby.
I just love that advert...
>
>>Despite enjoying a cosy relationship with industry communications
>>regulator, OFCOM, the RSGB have previously depicted this Government
>>body as "the Grim Reaper" in an advertisement that predicts the death
>>of our hobby "within 5 years thanks to de-regulation".
>
> RSGB showed a lamentable lack of vision, seeing de-regulation only as
> a threat, failing to consider what opportunities there might be.
>
> The terms of the licence were 50 years out of date, incomprehensible,
> widely misunderstood by many including the now defunct RA, and even
> unlawful in some respects. But RSGB wanted things to stay just as they
> were, and to squander members' subs to keep it that way.
>
> It claims to have its finger on the pulse of the hobby yet was
> ill-prepared for de-regulation, and failed to recognise that whatever
> RSGB's views are, Ofcom has a statutory duty to de-regulate and will do
> so.
>
> RSGB had ample time to consider the implications of a modern regulatory
> environment, but seemed to think Ofcom was just like the RA - "a rose by
> any other name".
>
> Not so.
>
> Hansard - House of Commons:
>
> 6 Mar 2002 : Column 375
>
> Deregulation Committee:
>
> 14C It shall be a duty of OFCOM to establish a Deregulation Committee to
> provide advice to OFCOM about how relevant proposals about the regulation
> of communications could be modified to deregulate the communications
> industry.'
>
> End quote.
>
> Communications Act 2003 - duty to deregulate:
>
> Quote:
>
> Duties to review regulatory burdens:
>
> (1) OFCOM must keep the carrying out of their functions under review
> with a view to securing that regulation by OFCOM does not involve:-
>
> (a) the imposition of burdens which are unnecessary; or
>
> (b) the maintenance of burdens which have become unnecessary.
>
> Not difficult to understand is it?
>
> What did RSGB do?
>
> Sat on its hands for a couple of years then went at Ofcom like a bull at a
> gate, throwing its puny weight about, badgering amateurs to "join the
> fight to oppose any form of deregulation".
>
> Anyone RSGB members who had any positive suggestions for bringing the
> hobby into the third millennium, but misguided enough to channel them
> through RSGB was either ignored or treated with disdain.
>
> The answer was simple - kick the RSGB into touch, resign and dela direct
> with Ofcom.
>
> Ofcom has a duty to consult widely with its "citizen consumers". (That's
> us). Ofcom will listen to and act upon sensible ideas from anyone
> regardless of RSGB's intemperate posturing.
>
> Not just an opinion, a well-documented fact.
>
> Despite RSGB's ludicrous puffed up Wikipedia entry, not a single thing in
> the licence revisions stems from RSGB. Except that is, the bureaucracy of
> five-yearly renewals of the licence which we could do without, especially
> elderly amateurs who aren't internet savvy.
Like us:)
>
> Everything else was opposed by RSGB.
>
> It told us so.
RSGB will tell us owt but truth.
Never ask a body you pay money to fer help...
>
>> Rather than wanting to be taken to task over the sending of such
>> un-wanted mailings, Mr Kirby advised M0PZT to:
>
>> "roll it up and place it in the bin".
>
>> M0PZT is tempted to return the original letter to Mr Kirby, with the
>> revised advice of "roll it up, turn it sideways and... " ;-)
>
>> http://www.m0pzt.com/rsgb.htm
>
> Excellent website Charlie. Your website footnote re the letters
> on the site from yourself to RSGB and mine to Ofcom/RSGB says:
>
>>Bulletins provided courtesy of GB7PZT BBS (no relation). If these
>>disappear from the BBS, please tell me - and with David's permission,
>>I'll post my own copies of them.
>
> Be my guest.
>
> I'll e-mail you my letter to Rob Mannion, PW editor, re the "Grim Reaper"
> adverts if it's of interest. If not just do a PK - "roll it up and bin
> it"!
How is olde Rob? Havent seen him in years.
>
> Amateur radio needs RSGB like a fish needs a bicycle.
>
I realised many years ago that ARRL does more for us hobby.
73 - Roger, G0CJM @ GB7IMK.#43.gbr.eu (at wa7v.ampr.org)
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