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> they'll tell you that they can only keep a Win95/98 machine going for a
> matter of hours or even minutes between crashes!
>
> That seems like an awful lot of inconvenience to put up with, just to use
> LINUX on one of my machines. I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up the
> reliable, crash-free performance I've been enjoying for years on my
Win95/98
> stuff.
This is the main reason I reformatted the hard drive of my Linux machine.
After many many years of reliable windows use, I decided it was a good
idea to see what Linux had to offer. Within a day of installing Linux onto
my network, the windows machines began to crash frequently. Once Linux
was removed from the network, windows again became very stable.
> I intend to wait until this problem with LINUX boxes mysteriously causing
> nearby Win95/98 machines to become crash-prone has been tracked down and
> resolved.
This seems a reasonable thing to do. Perhaps the Linux experts can explain
why this problem occurs. For now it seems the best thing to do is to avoid
Linux until the problem is cured.
> --
>
> 73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
> N5PVL @ N5PVL.#NTX.TX.USA.NOAM
> http://www.texoma.net/~n5pvl
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
>.
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:40:00 -0700
From: "Cathryn Mataga" <cathryn@junglevision.com>
Subject: The BBS network and tcp/ip.
Hank Oredson wrote in message <7u4s5b$29e$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>...
>
>Charles Brabham <n5pvl@texoma.net> wrote in message>
>This is the main reason I reformatted the hard drive of my Linux machine.
>After many many years of reliable windows use, I decided it was a good
>idea to see what Linux had to offer. Within a day of installing Linux onto
>my network, the windows machines began to crash frequently. Once Linux
>was removed from the network, windows again became very stable.
>
>> I intend to wait until this problem with LINUX boxes mysteriously causing
>> nearby Win95/98 machines to become crash-prone has been tracked down and
>> resolved.
>
>This seems a reasonable thing to do. Perhaps the Linux experts can explain
>why this problem occurs. For now it seems the best thing to do is to avoid
>Linux until the problem is cured.
Hmm, I have seen weird stuff happen when multiple machines get the same IP
on a lan. That would be the first thing to check. Win98 has dhcp client
installed by default -- and me, I found that, unbeknownest
to myself, the IP router I installed had an dhcp server running. So, what
happened, is when one of the misconfigured Windows systems in the
building got turned on, the dhcp server in the gateway which I didn't
know about assigned it to the same ip addresses as the name server.
And, then things acted really weird all over. I only found out about this,
when I tried to setup DHCP myself, on a different server, and found
something else on the net was handing out addresses. Ooops.
It's hard to figure out these things if you're system isn't up any more.
Though I've seen the Win98 machines with unset ip addresses -- either
with or without DHCP servers on the lan doing all sorts of weird stuff.
Usually
they don't crash, but they lock up intermittantly for a bit. This might be
fixed
with Win98 as upposed to Win95.
Possibly there's some other issue. If you install Linux and you just tell it
to turn on everything, not knowing what it all is, it might cause a problem.
Me,
I only run what I need and don't turn on, for example, smbd, or Linux netbios
stuff unless I really want it.
Though I also get all the patches and updates to Win98 pretty regularly. So,
maybe that's the obvious and easy thing to try. Me, I'm a little
hacker paranoid, so if there's some packet of death that blows out Windows,
I'd rather know what it is and fix it. Since possibly someone can send in
that same block from the internet onto your lan.
>.
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:20:20 -0700
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: The BBS network and tcp/ip.
Cathryn Mataga <cathryn@junglevision.com> wrote in message
news:sFoN3.241$7d2.6655@nuq-read.news.verio.net...
>
> Hank Oredson wrote in message <7u4s5b$29e$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>...
> >
> >Charles Brabham <n5pvl@texoma.net> wrote in message>
> >This is the main reason I reformatted the hard drive of my Linux machine.
> >After many many years of reliable windows use, I decided it was a good
> >idea to see what Linux had to offer. Within a day of installing Linux
onto
> >my network, the windows machines began to crash frequently. Once Linux
> >was removed from the network, windows again became very stable.
> >
> >> I intend to wait until this problem with LINUX boxes mysteriously
causing
> >> nearby Win95/98 machines to become crash-prone has been tracked down
and
> >> resolved.
> >
> >This seems a reasonable thing to do. Perhaps the Linux experts can
explain
> >why this problem occurs. For now it seems the best thing to do is to
avoid
> >Linux until the problem is cured.
>
>
> Hmm, I have seen weird stuff happen when multiple machines get the same IP
> on a lan.
Different ip, same subnet (44.116.1.*)
> That would be the first thing to check. Win98 has dhcp client
> installed by default --
dhcp is disabled on all my windows machines.
> and me, I found that, unbeknownest
> to myself, the IP router I installed had an dhcp server running.
The router did not have dhcp enabled.
Samba had dhcp disabled.
> So, what
> happened, is when one of the misconfigured Windows systems in the
> building got turned on, the dhcp server in the gateway which I didn't
> know about assigned it to the same ip addresses as the name server.
> And, then things acted really weird all over. I only found out about
this,
> when I tried to setup DHCP myself, on a different server, and found
> something else on the net was handing out addresses. Ooops.
Not what happened.
In fact, the problem continued even with the ethernet cable removed
from the Linux machine. But now that the Linux CD is back in it's box
on the shelf, and the hard drives reformatted and repartitioned, everything
is back to normal again.
> It's hard to figure out these things if you're system isn't up any more.
The system is up (with two ethernet cards and an ip router), just not
running Linux.
> Though I've seen the Win98 machines with unset ip addresses -- either
> with or without DHCP servers on the lan doing all sorts of weird stuff.
Usually
> they don't crash, but they lock up intermittantly for a bit. This might
be fixed
> with Win98 as upposed to Win95.
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