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> > On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, Hank Oredson wrote:
> > Rob Janssen <nomail@pe1chl.demon.nl> wrote in message
> > > news:slrn805t5t.835.nomail@linux.pe1chl.ampr.org...
> > > > Hank Oredson <horedson@att.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >> Then what do you want?
> > > >
> > > > >Ideas.
> > > >
> > > > Ok here is an idea:
> > > >
> > > > What you want already exists. Under Linux. So, the problem is not
> how to
> > > > write the software itself.
> > >
> > > I have Linux.
> > > Did not find any such software.
> > > Most hams do not (and will not) have Linux.
> > > So Linux is not of interest to me.
> >
> > Didn't find: Well, you need the package called "ax25-utils".
> > The file [/usr/src/]linux/Documentation/networking/ax25.txt tells you
> > where to get this, and the "how-to" file.
>
> I have ax25-utils.
> Where is NET/ROM?
How about in the "ax25-utils" source tree, in the "netrom" directory? Did you
even bother to look there?
> Where is a HAL P38 / PCI400 driver?
Your exotic hardware isn't my problem. However, most of the device drivers
are
in the kernel options. In addition to serial port TNC's (via KISS), there are
many of the common hardware devices available, including the "Ottawa PI" card,
Baycom modems, soundcards as modems, etc. Try turning on the "amateur radio
support" option and see if one of those items works.
> Where is the server to gateway telnet <-> net/rom <-> CLOVER <-> PACTOR?
The packet router is in the kernel. The AX.25 router is defined and comprised
of some external programs in the AX.25-utils package ("ax25d" and "netromd").
For example, if one wants to go from an incoming AX.25 connection and out a
net/rom connection, "ax25d" handles the incoming connection and hands what it
receives to the "nrcall" program (which implements the net/rom callouts).
CLOVER isn't supported because that is proprietory in nature and uses
proprietory hardware. Since the manufacturer refuses to release the details
of
how it operates, there can be no "alternative-OS" support for it.
PACTOR is implemented by the TNC itself, so as long as the TNC supports the
serial port kiss protocol, it's available (at least with the former AEA
TNC's).
Linux (kernel version 2.2) also supports the ROSE protocol, which you didn't
ask about.
> Where is the BBS message <-> smtp gateway?
> Where is the BBS bulletin <-> nntp gateway?
When properly set up, there is no "gateway." Incoming AX.25 stuff is stored
locally on the machine in SMTP or NNTP format, assuming you use the proper
"BBS" program. There are some that don't do that.
> Where is NET/ROM over Ethernet?
In the "amateur radio support" configuration submenu, turn on "BPQ ethernet
driver". For the text configuration menu, just wait until you're presented
with the option.
> Where is IP over NET/ROM?
Did you even try to give your netrom interface an IP address?
> > Software: Except for above, everything else comes in the "network"
> portion of
> > the distribution. Also, recompile the kernel for AX.25 support.
>
> I did this. Simple. And I had nothing useful.
> It did not route IP over NET/ROM, just for one example.
Like I said above, did you give your net/rom interface an IP address? Note
also that since net/rom doesn't support a broadcast mode, you have to manually
enter routing entries for IP addresses to net/rom nodes/hosts. Did you do
that
too? If not, of course nothing was routed via net/rom because it didn't know
what to route that way.
> See above "Where is".
>
> > Most hams do not ...: Any evidence to back this assumption? Also, since
> Linux
> > is free, cost isn't a problem (yes, most hams I know are cheap).
> >
> > Not of interest to you: That's not debatable.
> >
> > > But in any case I am not looking for solutions. Those I can create.
> > >
> > > I am looking for ideas about WHAT problems might be solved,
> > > and how the applications that implement those solutions might
> > > be structured so they would be of interest to hams.
> >
> > THe one big problem is the "anarchy" problem. Everyone does their own
> thing or
> > wants to be the "big fish of the pond," etc. Good luck with this one.
>
> Suggestions?
>
> > > Your points about installation are well taken, and "simple"
> > > installation is a part of what I am working on now.
>.
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:24:00 -0700
From: "Cathryn Mataga" <cathryn@junglevision.com>
Subject: The BBS network and tcp/ip.
D. Stussy wrote in message ...
>On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, Charles Brabham wrote:
>D. Stussy <kd6lvw@bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote in message
>> news:Pine.LNX.4.10.9910130807320.551-100000@dns.bde-arc.ampr.org...
>> > >
>>
>> "Technically", LINUX is free. Here on planet Earth though, we real humans
>> tend to find ourselves paying through the nose for it. In fact, by the time
>> you buy "add ons" to make up for functions not originally provided by the
>> distro, you can easily end up paying more than you would for more competent
>> software with wider compatability, like Win95/98.
>
>Now you know of at least ONE. I got it for free by downloading the slackware
>distribution (via FTP) off the Internet back in 1997. I grabbed the "A",
"D",
>and "N" sets. The "A" and "N" sets can still [even today] be copied to
>floppies for installation - if one doesn't have the hard disk space available
>to perform an installation from a DOS partition. Everything else since then,
I
>grabbed in source code and compiled myself.
Yeah, if you have a fast net connection, installing Linux is pretty easy.
Since
you just download the boot disk maker for making a floppy, boot that, and then
install
the rest of the installation right off the ftp site. If you're using modems
this
doesn't work -- but, with a DSL or cable modem, it just comes up. It's best
to have
pretty generic network cards, though.
I've never heard of anybody paying money for add-ons for Linux? What is that?
More likely the problems are that there just isn't what you need. I'd say
that
running *NOS on windows isn't that easy either -- are people still running
those
2 network card setups? The sv2agw software does look very nice, however.
Me, I have a lot of computers here, and I've been moving them to Linux --
mostly to get myself legal -- license-wise with Win98. When Win2000 comes
out, I don't want to have to buy 6+ copies of that, bleah. But, it's no big
deal,
since I really only need a GUI on a few computers. I don't use any X-windows
or any GUI stuff on Linux. I just use 'em for ham radio and web page servers,
and just telnet in to fuss with things. It saves me having to hook up
monitors
to all those computers -- and having to wedge in chairs by them.
Most of my work is in DOS, lately running DOS compilers for Gameboy!
Really, I think it's a good thing that some programmers are willing to do
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